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@vengu I looked thru the Spotlights and more information was given on the tasks to upgrade spells.

You only need to complete 2 tasks to get level 1 of a spell, 4 tasks for level 2, and all 6 tasks for level 3, the final level.

So you can pick and choose which tasks to complete to get a perfectly usable version of the spell, and only need to do all six if you want to min-max, which would most likely make you a PVP player anyway. The Spotlight claims that the power increase in a spell from Lv 2 to 3 is quite minor.

So That's Okay, but I worry whether the game will be self-defeating by making it almost pointless to upgrade spells in the first place given the investment:benefit ratio and the decreased power gap between characters to begin with. The economy will also become a mess if crafters are able to proceed too quickly.

@jetah If Fractured is designed such that a fresh player can compete consistently with an experienced player, that's exactly the opposite problem.

Losing rare loot to a PK is not unplayable. Fractured allegedly will not permit completely impossible PK scenarios the way that BDO does, that specific rare loot is not a necessity to progress in the game the way that leveling up would be, and there are too many options for loot to assume that you will consistently be blocked from it by a PK every single time (unlike BDO's grind spot bottlenecks).

However, one of the achievement lists to upgrade a fire spell says to go to a specific location in Tartaros, and unless that location is pseudo-RNG that will subsequently become a PK hotspot which will make that aspect of the game unplayable for mass numbers of players as it will be impossible to successfully go there and fulfill the task, regardless of how gud at gaems you are. You're not a movie hero and can't just magically sidestep a full guild of scrubs all spamming AoEs on you. The only saving grace of this will be if a white knight guild is also there specifically to stop people from PKing questers, but I strongly doubt this will be in as large numbers as PKers.

@darian In reality, you don't use a sword/axe/mace even remotely the same way.

That doesn't matter. In many video games, they're wielded identically.

Again, Elder Scrolls is a fine example, as more recent games only distinguish between one-handed and two-handed weapons. Perks will cause swords/axes/maces to apply different status effects, but a one-handed weapon of any of those three types is used exactly the same way by the player character, with identical swing animations.

That's why you can always find all three in a given fantasy MMO and are less likely to find weapons that can't possibly be excused using the same animations, such as spears. (They usually include bows and sometimes crossbows though, because they need to have a ranged weapon.)

@jetah Arena PVP is fine! That's actually PVP.

Blade & Soul is one of the few MMOs I actually like fighting other players in even when I lose, because its combat system is like a fighting game and specializes in "1v1 me bruh" which is the primary arena option. Also, losing to someone else of my class (which was often because my class was the most popular one at the time) usually showed me a ridiculous super move that I can do too without any need to grind my character's level up.

Black Desert Online, on the other hand, not only has open world PVP but heavily buffs players who attack someone of even one or two levels under. BDO does not have a strict max level, but levels become exponentially slower, meaning anybody who passes around level 60 can simply rampage around the world stopping anyone else from ever reaching past level 60 because there is only one grind spot in the game for that level range.

Open world PVP is fake PVP the way that mobile games / clickers are fake games - they don't actually have gameplay or take any skill or effort. The player just watches things happen. The difference is that open world PVP is far worse because idle clickers have no way to screw other players, but parasitic open world PVP scrubs completely annihilate the game for better players who actually ARE trying to do something, even when they're a minority. It's PVP for players who neither respect themselves nor anybody else.

Any game where you can put hours or days of work into a build et al only for a twelve-year-old to casually stroll by and eliminate it in minutes is objectively not worth playing - more specifically it is by definition unplayable - and so many of these MMOS suffer from this completely avoidable and completely stupid design flaw because they're coerced and strong-armed into treating open world PVP as a requirement.

Basically, open world PVP is like cocaine - everyone is addicted, everybody suffers, and it needs to be excised as soon as possible before the government can find a way to tax it.

@jetah Usually not fun, usually not rewarding, usually not fair. PVP-focused games are for scrubs, the kind who play Elder Scrolls and just murder every NPC they see and never take a quest

I have no idea. I have to know what kind of game it is first and what options are available

Guys, a "solo player" isn't completely ignoring every single other player in the game forever. That won't even be possible, since the vast majority of player equipment is player-made, and it's infeasible for a single player to level up a legion of crafters AND a main. Also, they will still be aggressed by PKers from time to time.

A solo player just doesn't want to play nothing but party dungeons, especially raid dungeons, as the only lategame PvE option. I agree completely. Parties and raids are the most boring part of any MMO because they dumb all the mechanics down to big numburs ruh ruh ruh - Blade & Soul was one of the worst offenders, with its elaborate combat system becoming generic skill-spamming in party play.

Having a group of specialists nullifies the vast majority of status effects and boss quirks because someone or another can just cast a spell to turn those quirks back off. Healers will make status effects vanish, controllers / stunners make bosses' backup dancers irrelevant, etc. etc. It basically becomes a game of Simon Says mixed with Cookie Clicker.

The fact that character progression is tied more to achievements than to grinding also reduces the relevance of party play in the first place, because parties and raids are always the best way to grind XP (since as discussed they're math for morons mode), except you allegedly don't have to grind as much or at all in this game. Good for that!

... then your PvP / PvE leaning isn't based so much on which race you pick as it is on which planet you're on, yes?

• Arboreus (Beastman): While PVP is technically possible in game mechanics, PKers face significant obstacles everywhere they go on the planet, and Demons may even have trouble getting there in the first place. The planet itself will try to remove them.
• Syndesia (Human): Open world PVP is more free than on Arboreus, but is subject to a criminal justice system based on a romanticized feudal era. Performing unlawful murders will subject the PKer to a bounty system, encouraging NPCs and strong players to come after them and/or earning them various inconveniences as punishment.
• Tartaros (Demon): Whatever laws exist favor the strong dominating the weak. The planet is in constant civil war, with demons and blackguards forming cells & uneasy alliances to siege one another's castles and secure resources.

Is this about right??

A lot of fantasy games only use swords, axes, and maces - because you can reuse the same animations between all of them.

You can't do that for spears, though, and they're harder to balance in a video game context due to their grossly superior range, so a lot of games just don't have spears (Elder Scrolls even took them out post-Morrowind) and that's a shame. Spears are awesome.

I also like polearms such as pollaxes, halberds, glaives, etc. All the ones that dumb down to blades on the ends of sticks can probably share an animation set too.

@pownstar said in PK punishment:

It should not have punishement at all. PK player's are player who know's how to pick or leave a fight. If you are afraid of Pking, it's because you don't have the skills to defend or the guilde to help you. Having played at lot of good old vanilla WoW, the PvP for quest areas, ressources or even just to piss other player's off is the best memories of gaming I'll ever have. Gattering a group of random folks to fight over a spot vs. unknown rivals or planning a Hudge raid with over 3 guilds to go and attack the capital of the other faction was priceless... even if some new player could only look at us with hope to be, some day, good as we were

Open world PVP is not based on skill. It's based on bullying newer players who have literally zero chance of fighting back or escaping, at all. If your "best memory" in online games is something so petty and destructive, you're not the kind of person I want to play a game with. Any game, for that matter.

PKers are pansies who don't want to play real PVP - they just want to be scrubs running around aimlessly clicking on people and watching them easily die. They want their character's mathematically perfect build and high numbers to do all the work for them, whereas these numbers are balanced in any form of organized PVP and that means the world will see how inept they really are, not how amazing they pretend to be.

It really annoys me that some of the players on this forum - not the quoted post mind you - have the sheer sense of audacity and entitlement to complain that they only get one entire planet to themselves, rather than all three. This is why MMOs are all bland, barely-surviving WoW clones and all the good ones die out; the American MMO playerbase is a childish, toxic mess that demands every single MMO just be a virtual chatroom where social pariahs walk around swinging their e-peens and gloating, because they're too cowardly and impotent to challenge themselves in the slightest way.

... which is why when a rare, actually good PVP player shows up in open world (about 1:300 among all open world PVP players if not rarer) and starts dominating all the wannabe PKers despite being 10 levels below them, they all start whining and crying instantly about hacking...

Please. Let's have MMOs actually be games, not just propaganda for kids mad at their parents.

@finland I usually make my MMO character based on one of my art characters, which opens the possibility of drawing said art character in the MMO world, if that makes sense... We'll see!

On my DeviantArt, I primarily upload SFW artwork with possibly some nudity here and there. https://fibrielsolaer.deviantart.com/

This dynamic workload assignment system sounds marvelous and very difficult to implement. Good luck!

I've been meaning to try it!

I liked the combat system in Blade & Soul... a pity that after the first arc it's trashed for smashing big numbers together party play

Email from Linkrealms, which is shutting down.

My spam has a first name

Characters who PK enough should be marked as Hardcore and be deleted on death.

I like real PVP just fine. I don't like the fake PVP that's swept the MMO market, which is more focused on choosing advantageous battles (i.e. bullying low-levels who mathematically cannot fight back) rather than on actual game skill.

If it was a bonafide war that would be a legitimate tactic, but in a typical MMO setting it's just unfun and toxic.

@evolgrinz Most "PVP players" in MMOs are not competent; a tiny minority are serious competitive players who seek worthwhile opponents. A much larger majority are little kids mad at their parents who need to bully low-level characters in pretend video games for validity.

Basically, there's a huge difference between balanced or arena PVP, and unrestricted open world PVP. The former is for competitive players, the latter is for tweens.

The Questbook implies that a few VIPs will have pre-alpha access at "the end of 2018", so the game will probably be a 2019 or even 2020 title.